4-HO-EPT lead to unexpected new avenue to research

Code of Reality Observed
TD

@Tyler Durden

Conducted: 2026-09-15

4-HO-DET 10 mg + Passion Flower Extract 6 g
Experiment Report
Observations and experiences

For this experiment both a 650nm and 488nm laser was used. 10mg of 4-HO-EPT was ingested orally. Working with such a small sample I ingested 6 grams of passion flower extract orally. I'm aware that its a mild MAIO but traditional MAOI like Harmaline was not available at the time for experiment. I will comment personally that this compound is complete garbage. Even with addition of MAOI should have bumped to dose experience to 20mg range which should be a medium dose but even at this range was mild. Headspace was clear. Although reports of seeing neon colors was correct which I did experience. Also visually objects breathing was strange. Everything was kind of breathing making a water like effect like seeing through ripples in water and out of corner of my eye things would contract and expand. I was able to see code on this compound but was less clear then the gold standard DMT. For this aspect on my attached URL will only include laser and updated code compound list as for the visual distortions from this compound was also effecting my ability to view code so I gave up after some time searching for anything In could draw the code I saw before things would distort in my vision, but was not successful. Now on this compound as with many designer 4-HO like compounds leave the head space pretty clear. Sitting down and thinking maybe 4-HO compounds wont lead to a break through, I heard a telepathic voice. Now I did not seeing anything in my room visually only heard voice in my head. Could it be some non physical entity or myself I will never know. The voice said these 4-HO compounds are getting boring aren't they? I replied in my head yes due to only one having some research usability with 4K code capability but and striving for 8K. The the voice replied "You want some that will challenge and scare you at the same time." I replied yes, then thought about a class of compounds of 5-Meo analogues I saw online from the alexander Shulgin research institute but was not viewing them on their website but another which shows much more then they post on their site. The next day my web browser had literally no record of the site like it was gone and I never use private mode. Thinking this was weird even exported my search data into another browser and still was not there. Upon thinking about this the voice said " There is a reason why its not in you search history, You may find something big here as well." Then I thought maybe going psycho trying to find the site was inspiring me on some level to focus on this new avenue of compounds. So, upon hearing that immediately opened my laptop the search criteria of the site and compound structure I could remember as for I was going nuts trying the find the site again then to the point I was even doubting my memory especially when no record was found in browser history. AI was able to find the site and compounds based on what I found. But I do agree with whatever I talked to as for its known 5-Meo-DMT produces 8k quality code so naturally we should be moving in that direction to see if any breakthrough discovery will happen. As with my other experiments here is the URL for this experiment with the pics and updated Code Compound Scale. https://photos.app.goo.gl/ty59ND5zpZ9DMMZi8 #TylerDurden "Ad Astra"

AI Analysis
gpt-5.6-luna
86% Confidence

Summary

This exploratory self-experiment examined code-like visual phenomena under 10 mg orally administered 4-HO-EPT, with 6 g of passion-flower extract, using 650 nm and reportedly 488 nm lasers with diffraction. The participant reported neon coloration, widespread breathing/rippling distortions, a clear headspace, and code-like visual patterns that were less distinct and harder to document than previously experienced DMT-associated phenomena. The reported internal voice and subsequent search-history anomaly are subjective experiences and cannot, from this account, establish an external or telepathic source.

Key Findings

  • Code-like visual patterns were reportedly present under 4-HO-EPT but were less clear, less stable, and more difficult to inspect or draw than under the participant’s comparison condition involving DMT.
  • The dominant visual effects were neon colors, apparent breathing or expansion/contraction of objects, and a water-ripple or shimmering distortion that interfered with sustained code observation.
  • The participant described relatively preserved cognition or headspace despite substantial visual alterations, suggesting dissociation between cognitive clarity and visual stability in this session.
  • A 650 nm laser was used at 1 mW and approximately 5 m projection distance; the description also states that a 488 nm laser was used, but no wavelength-specific observations were provided.
  • The narrative includes an internally heard voice and an apparent loss of browser-history records. These observations are relevant phenomenologically, but the available data do not distinguish psychedelic effects, memory or recording errors, software/browser behavior, or external causes.

Patterns Identified

Visual Patterns

  • Reports emphasize dynamic rather than static visual distortion: surfaces and objects appeared to breathe, ripple, contract, and expand.
  • Neon coloration was observed, consistent with the participant’s prior expectation or knowledge of reported 4-HO-compound effects; expectation effects cannot be separated from pharmacological effects in this design.
  • Code-like imagery was reportedly observable but degraded by competing global distortions, limiting fine-grained inspection and documentation.
  • The account suggests lower apparent code clarity and usability than the participant’s informal DMT comparison, but no standardized rating or blinded comparison was obtained.

Behavioral Patterns

  • The participant actively searched for code and attempted to draw it, but discontinued because ongoing visual distortions impaired observation and reproduction.
  • A clear or relatively clear headspace co-occurred with complex visual effects, indicating that subjective cognitive intensity and visual-code clarity may not covary directly.
  • The internally heard dialogue influenced subsequent interpretation and motivated a search for additional compound classes; this illustrates how set, expectation, and post hoc meaning-making may shape the research narrative.
  • No systematic measurement was reported for onset, peak, duration, persistence after laser removal, effects of looking away, or whether the code could be intentionally modulated.

Technical Patterns

  • The experiment used diffraction-based laser projection at approximately 5 m, with a stated 650 nm, 1 mW laser and an additional 488 nm laser.
  • The report does not specify which wavelength produced the described code, whether both were tested separately, or whether laser power and beam geometry were matched across wavelengths.
  • The diffraction grating, projection surface, beam alignment, ambient lighting, viewing angle, camera settings, and surface reflectance were not documented in sufficient detail to reproduce the observation.
  • The use of passion-flower extract introduces an uncertain pharmacological co-variable. Its active constituents, dose equivalence, bioavailability, and interaction with 4-HO-EPT were not measured.

Scientific Insights

Scientific Significance

The report contributes a preliminary single-session observation that code-like visual phenomena may occur outside DMT, at least phenomenologically, under 4-HO-EPT. Its most useful implication is not that 4-HO-EPT produces a specific objective code, but that visual-code reports may depend on the interaction among drug state, visual instability, attention, expectation, laser parameters, and diffraction artifacts. The reduced clarity relative to the participant’s DMT baseline is compatible with several explanations—including compound-specific effects, dose, co-administration, attentional competition, or technical differences—and cannot be attributed to any one factor from this experiment. The reported internal voice and browser-history event should be documented as subjective experiences requiring independent verification rather than interpreted as evidence of a nonphysical entity or external communication.

Methodological Notes

Strengths include recording dose, approximate laser wavelength, power, projection distance, and the participant’s phenomenological observations, as well as attempting direct visual documentation. Major limitations are the single-participant, uncontrolled design; absence of a sober or drug-only laser control; uncertain 488 nm testing details; no objective code-identification criterion; no standardized ratings of clarity, persistence, or complexity; reliance on retrospective narrative; and comparison with DMT under apparently non-equivalent conditions. Passion-flower extract is a substantial confound because its composition and monoamine-oxidase-related effects are uncertain, and the term mild MAOI should not be treated as a quantified pharmacological dose. The browser-history observation requires technical logs, synchronized timestamps, multiple browsers or devices, and independent checks before being considered evidence of data loss. Any use of MAOI-like substances with serotonergic psychedelics also raises safety concerns and should not be experimentally combined without qualified medical oversight.

Recommendations

Future sessions should isolate variables using a preregistered protocol: test one wavelength at a time, document exact laser specifications and beam geometry, standardize projection surface and lighting, and include non-drug and drug-only controls. Avoid adding poorly characterized extracts or MAOI-like substances; if drug research is pursued, use appropriate clinical and toxicological oversight. Record baseline, onset, peak, and offset ratings for code presence, clarity, stability, color, motion, and ability to interact, using predefined scales. Capture synchronized video of the projected pattern, the participant’s verbal reports, and room conditions, while avoiding direct laser exposure to the eyes and complying with applicable laser-safety standards. Independent raters should assess whether recorded images differ from diffraction patterns or ordinary visual artifacts, ideally with blinded presentation. Replication across participants and doses is required before making claims about compound-specific code quality or comparisons such as '4K' versus '8K.' For unusual perceptual or voice-hearing experiences, include post-session wellbeing monitoring and encourage professional support if they persist, recur while sober, or become distressing.

This analysis is generated by AI and should be considered as supplementary insight. It does not replace professional scientific review or peer evaluation.

Substances Used

4-HO-DET

10 mg

Passion Flower Extract

6 g
Participants
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Protocol Comparison
Comparison of trial parameters with the protocol
ParameterProtocolTrialVariance
Laser Wavelength650 nm650 nm+0 nm (+0.0%)
Laser Power1 mW1 mW+0.00 mW (+0.0%)
Substance Dose1000 mg10 mgNot comparable
Projection Distance1.5 feet5 feet+3.5 feet (+233.3%)
Laser ClassClass 2Not specified-
SubstancesN,N-DMT 1000 mg4-HO-DET 10 mg + Passion Flower Extract 6 g-

Additional Observers:

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Equipment Used
NameManufacturerModelSpecificationsLink
Laser Pointer--650nm-
Laser Pointer--488nm-
Diffraction Grating----

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